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#21 2019-04-09 11:13:43

Destry
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Re: Brave Browser

phiw13 wrote #317541:

the privacy thing / making it easier to track you.

So you disagree with my interpretation of the article. Fair, I could certainly be wrong.

But what it seems to be saying is those browsers are disabling the ability to skirt the ping tracking, and the author even concludes:

What this means is that starting next month when Chrome 74 is released to the stable branch, the Edge, Chrome, Opera, and Safari browsers will no longer offer a way of disabling this tracking feature and privacy risk.

So you disagree with that conclusion?

I’m not trying to challenge your position or defend one I don’t have. I’m just trying to learn what this all means and whether it’s anything to care about. If you know something the author doesn’t, enlighten us. ;)


The text persuades, the *notes prove。

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#22 2019-04-09 11:25:02

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Re: Brave Browser

What I disagree with is that enabling the ‘feature’ is an additional privacy risk. Disable it and you are, as a user, still exposed to a truckload of ways to track you, and redirecting you or massaging the target of a link in obscure, undiscoverable ways.

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#23 2019-04-09 14:08:55

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Re: Brave Browser

phiw13 wrote #317566:

Disable it and you are, as a user, still exposed to a truckload of ways to track you, and redirecting you or massaging the target of a link in obscure, undiscoverable ways.

That is no doubt true. And ping tracking is probably insignificant in relation.

But still, I’d rather the number of ways I can be screwed getting fewer, not more, and this seems like an odd position for browsers to take. Any software that prevents users from opting for more privacy, however comparatively futile, is a bad position for that software, I think. The wrong direction.

It doesn’t hurt me to not use Chrome, Safari, Opera (haha, Opera)… There are still options, so far.


The text persuades, the *notes prove。

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#24 2019-04-10 03:06:05

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Re: Brave Browser

Destry wrote #317573:

But still, I’d rather the number of ways I can be screwed getting fewer, not more, and this seems like an odd position for browsers to take. Any software that prevents users from opting for more privacy, however comparatively futile, is a bad position for that software, I think. The wrong direction.

Hmm, what if ping, as a browser approved and build-in mechanism, is actually much less invasive (the browser’s ITP or whatever tracking prevention is build in – Safari / Firefox / Opera to a lesser extent can much more easily manage it); and, perhaps is destined to deprecate a myriad of tracking techniques currently being used ? That was at least the original intent of this feature.

It doesn’t hurt me to not use Chrome, Safari, Opera (haha, Opera)… There are still options, so far.

Do you really trust Brave, Vivaldi, and all those other players that build on Chromium ? Even Firefox is less than safe. A possible option is Lynx or other command line browsers. But you won’t get very far, I fear.

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#25 2019-04-10 08:16:04

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Re: Brave Browser

phiw13 wrote #317579:

what if ping, as a browser approved and build-in mechanism, is actually much less invasive . . . and, perhaps is destined to deprecate a myriad of tracking techniques currently being used ? That was at least the original intent of this feature.

If that’s the case, fine. But is that the case yet?

Do you really trust Brave, Vivaldi, and all those other players that build on Chromium ?

I don’t use them.

But I do have IceCat installed, sitting there mostly unused. Tor browser too, just as unloved. And I do use Safari to test my layout hacks. But 99% of the time it’s FF, and I’ve become highly dependent on the tab stacking extension.


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#26 2019-04-12 03:17:19

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Re: Brave Browser

John Wilander, Apple (Safari team), explains how it works, in concert with Safari’s ITP2.0: Link Click Analytics and Privacy (Webkit.org blog post).

That is for Safari. Chrome does not have any build-in tracking prevention, of course. And Google engineers try hard to make it as difficult as possible to implement something like that. To their credit Chromium engineers are do their best in fighting the good fight (it is still possible to install ad-blocking extensions on Chrome, afaik).

(now back to fight for things that really matter – on the menu today, Chelsea and Julian).

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#27 2019-04-12 10:14:36

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Re: Brave Browser

Just read it through a different source and was coming here to say I understand your position better now, I think.

Basically, tradeoffs. But Apple sems to be making the best choice, for the sake of… performance?

And use those blocking tools!


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#28 2019-04-12 14:09:27

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Re: Brave Browser

Destry wrote #317605:

Basically, tradeoffs. But Apple sems to be making the best choice, for the sake of… performance?

Yes tradeoffs (in the development of a browser) – performance and privacy vs the need to have buy-in from the site-developers…

And use those blocking tools!

Yes! – look here (othermaciej is the lead of team Safari, fwiw).

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#29 2019-04-17 15:53:50

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Re: Brave Browser

Disengenuous’ Brave.


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