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#71 2019-01-23 22:36:21

michaelkpate
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Re: WebFaction joins GoDaddy

bici wrote #316251:

Dreamhost.com has been suggested to me. Any thoughts about them?

I’ve been a happy Dreamhost user for 15 years now. But I’ve never really used them for anything mission-critical.


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#72 2019-01-23 23:01:51

bici
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Re: WebFaction joins GoDaddy

michaelkpate wrote #316254:

I’ve been a happy Dreamhost user for 15 years now. But I’ve never really used them for anything mission-critical.

Thanks Michael
All i am doing is hosting TXP and one EE websites and mail for about 10 domains.
run-of-the-mail stuff.
I like to have ssh access and be able to schedule scripts for offsite backups… and be able to jail 1-2 users to their own file space if possible.
Plus i don’t want CPanel junk.

So it sounds like it would be a good webfaction replacement.

ps can you comment on this observation of one user:

“My year with DH is almost over. I didn’t much like it, I found the interface ponderous to navigate and confusing. Also, I didn’t have control over my php.ini file so that I couldn’t install sexyFileManager, and probably other stuff. It did work just fine for hosting simple web sites. Things were mostly up and email was mostly delivered (except the BHCC fiasco)”

Setting up email was horrible.

I had some serious problems with data bases. They were hard to access and edit. DH insisted on separate passwords for everything so doing SSH, phpMyAdmin, sftp, email, whatever, was a total pain.

Whatever they did offer was slow, confusing, and poorly documented. Likely, things have improved since 2013.


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#73 2019-01-23 23:28:23

phiw13
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Re: WebFaction joins GoDaddy

Been using DreamHost for 10 years or so. Their unlimited shared hosting plans are fairly good for your (my) basic needs. SSH, separate SFTP user, possibility to use SequelPro on my Mac instead of that screaming disaster that is PHPMyAdmin. Email setup is OK and email works fairly well. Their ControlPanel is not very intuitive to navigate, but it is slowly improving and they’ve been doing efforts to document everything.

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#74 2019-01-24 01:32:06

michaelkpate
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Re: WebFaction joins GoDaddy

bici wrote #316255:

ps can you comment on this observation of one user:

p.

> “My year with DH is almost over. I didn’t much like it, I found the interface ponderous to navigate and confusing.

It works fine for me.

> Also, I didn’t have control over my php.ini file so that I couldn’t install sexyFileManager, and probably other stuff.

I don’t know what sexyfilemanager is. I generally just sftp everything with fileZilla.

And there is a way to change PHP settings: How do I create a phprc file via FTP?

> It did work just fine for hosting simple web sites. Things were mostly up and email was mostly delivered (except the BHCC fiasco)”

> Setting up email was horrible.

I generally just use gmail but I am looking at the e-mail creation page right now – it seems pretty straightforward.

> I had some serious problems with data bases. They were hard to access and edit.

The interface has a selection called Advanced. The first choice under that is MySQL Databases.

Years ago you had to create a subdomain for each database – I still have a bunch listed. Now you can reuse them so, for instance, the database for michaelkpate.com is accessible through mysql.michaelkpate.com. Not a big deal.

> DH insisted on separate passwords for everything so doing SSH, phpMyAdmin, sftp, email, whatever, was a total pain.

There are users and mysqlusers – separate groups. I usually create a new user with every new database and give it a super-complex password so it is difficult to hack and if it were the hacker could only access the one database. You could use one password but that is bad practice imho.

> Whatever they did offer was slow, confusing, and poorly documented. Likely, things have improved since 2013.

It is still the same fundamental design for when I started (custom code from them) but modernized here and there. Unless you want to do something super complex I think it will be easy to figure out. I can’t speak on the documentation because I don’t think I’ve ever really looked at it.


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#75 2019-01-24 03:44:17

bici
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Re: WebFaction joins GoDaddy

thanks for your update. It makes sense and I think DH will offer me the control that is akin to webfaction. I am going to open up a test account and kick the tires.


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#76 2019-01-24 03:50:08

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Re: WebFaction joins GoDaddy

phiw13 wrote #316256:

Been using DreamHost for 10 years or so. Their unlimited shared hosting plans are fairly good for your (my) basic needs. SSH, separate SFTP user, possibility to use SequelPro on my Mac instead of that screaming disaster that is PHPMyAdmin. Email setup is OK and email works fairly well. Their ControlPanel is not very intuitive to navigate, but it is slowly improving and they’ve been doing efforts to document everything.

ok sounds like i should kick their tires. wil lsign up for a test account.


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#77 2019-01-24 06:19:18

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Re: WebFaction joins GoDaddy

gee… the more i look the more i find… SiteGround out of Bulgaria. That sounds wild. and enticing


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#78 2019-01-24 16:44:16

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Re: WebFaction joins GoDaddy

Destry wrote #316226:

Signed up and paid my first year at o2switch this morning (many hours ago). I have yet to get so much as an automated/no-reply email greeting or confirmation of anything. My ‘dashboard’ shows ‘in process’, but this is, without a doubt, the slowest response from a web host I have ever experienced. I’m half tempted to cancel it and go to infomaniak. Even Dean had me up and running within an hour, which was about the only thing that came fast from him. ;)

So, turns out I had not heard a response because my payment didn’t go through even though their dashboard gave me an affirmative, big yellow smiley face and all. I found this out by creating a ticket with them via my dashboard account, which turned into the following, heavily-paraphrased exchange…

D: Bonjour… I’ve tried to give you good money, but the machines failed. What gives?

o2: There can be problems if — [long list of technical things that makes me sound like I’m up to criminal mischief] — and it’s not our fault. Or maybe its your bank. – A___

D: / checks with bank. No blockage problem there. /

D: I am not — [any of the long list of technical possibilities] — and no problem at my bank’s end either.

o2: / radio silence for 24 hours /

D: / getting impatient / Hey, bank looks good, I’m about to try again.

D: / tries again /

o2: / replies immediately / Probably your Protonmail account — [gives righteous position against Protonmail, haven of evil spammers, hackers, phishers…] — we suggest you use “a real email address”. – R___

D: /* decides not to give them a dime, but will play it out another message or two */

D: Bonjour. Are you F- serious? What’s a real email address? Gmail, king of surveillance capitalism? Yahoo, screwed so many times it can’t hold a meal long enough to digest? Hotmail? Pray tell, what is a ‘real’ email account? How about Tutanota (gives them the link), which cares about privacy and security? That’s the only other one I have. / plays ace up sleeve / I have a contract with Protonmail as my processor under GDPR as required by CNIL (the French DP authority).

o2: / unfazed / I’ve never heard of Tutanota. We — [more righteous spouting about being the good host guy and Protonmail is bad, so I must be up to no good]. / doesn’t suggest any ‘real’ email service provider / – R___

D: How does my receiving Protonmail account have anything to do with your security? I’m just using it so you can initially send me the details I need to transfer and host my sites, so I can give you money. You had no problem accepting the Protonmail account to set up this profile so we could have this conversation… Your logic is illogical. But, don’t answer that question. I will find another host and ensure my network doesn’t use o2switch. Cordially.

D: Er… by the power of my rights under the mighty GDPR, please delete this account and my personal data. Thanks

So, don’t use o2switch. Not that anyone here would, I guess. I mean, I suppose I can appreciate having that insight about Protonmail, however little or well supported that info is. But they won’t give me hosting because my sign up email is Protonmail? That’s new to me.


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#79 2019-01-24 17:25:08

Destry
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Re: WebFaction joins GoDaddy

Oh man. This would be funny if not a pain in the arse. They went ahead and processed my payment! I just got the confirmation mails. I guess I made a good enough argument. Maybe the supervisor stepped in… Whatever, I should roll with it since they accommodated.

I’m still not sure I’d recommend them, but I’ll downgrade the alarm to just: shop around first.

Last edited by Destry (2019-01-24 18:27:25)


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#80 2019-01-24 18:43:02

bici
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Re: WebFaction joins GoDaddy

Turns out SiteGround offers a measly 50gb of storage. Webfaction provided 150gb for Mail at the same price !
gawd what a mess the hosting world has become!

I feel Destry’s pain.

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