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#131 2008-09-09 17:41:11

maverick
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Re: TxP.com home page

Good work all.

Personally – I like “Txp: Just Write”. Great little tag line. Developers should be smart enough to see why that’s good for their clients.

And, with no intention of hi-jacking the work or the thread, but as a bit of comic relief among all this serious discussion, in the spirit and idea that having fun together is good for the team, may I suggest the reverse of “Reasons To Try”? ;)

“Reasons Not To Try Texptattern”

  1. I prefer to pay for my software
  2. I’m personal friends with Matt Mullenweg
  3. I miss Dean . . .
  4. I’ll roll my own CMS
  5. I want frequent upgrades
  6. Your Turn!

Hey – if we want to show our sense of humor, we could even include it on the website ;-P LOL

Mike

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#132 2008-09-10 00:47:32

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Re: TxP.com home page

So I’ve been following the discussion and I’m really excited that the community feels the same way I do. I would love to contribute with this effort. I put together my own comp for a landing page. The link takes you to the html page, not just a jpg.

First off, this is just a comp. My own contribution that we all can bounce ideas off of. Maybe I jumped the gun by going straight to the design instead of focusing on the content.

I took the wireframe that Destry and squaredeye had put my own spin on it. Throughout my design process, I contemplated the brand of Textpattern. In terms of branding, we have an opportunity to differentiate TXP from the other CMS’s out there. I suggest looking at the landing pages for WP, Drupal, Movable Type, and Expression Engine. They all share similar design elements – all common of modern day web design. And following the design principles it’s obvious that TXP should stand apart from that look. Please note:

  • Georgia is the only font used. Everyone else uses sans-serif for their body text.
  • Others have mentioned newspapers in describing out TXP works, and also the trust users feel when visiting the site.
  • Black and white is classy (right?)
  • keeping it minimal
  • integrated header that could be used across the entire site

As you can see, I didn’t add a screenshot of the txp backend. This goes with the differentiating but also, a screenshot can’t paint a picture as well as some other content might. I like what Destry said about showing designers what Textpattern can do, rather than what it is, so there’s a spot for the showcase. We could have rotating sites featured.

In terms of content – the copy text I used is just to get some ideas going. I think the landing page should focus on 4-6 selling points on why you should use Textpattern. I know we all want to mention all the wonderful things about it, but if we can boil it down to 5 points, it makes the message much more clear. Every other CMS is a “flexible lightweight solution” So how can we create an identity for ourselves? For me, Textpattern is all about the balance between simplicity and power. Simple because its easy to use and tweak. Powerful, because you can do all these things with it. Copy-writing obviously isn’t my strong suit.

Let’s keep this conversation going. I’ve got a lot more to say!


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#133 2008-09-10 01:30:12

jm
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Re: TxP.com home page

nemoorange – looks great. Black and white looks good too :).

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#134 2008-09-10 01:44:12

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Re: TxP.com home page

So I’ve been following the discussion and I’m really excited that the community feels the same way I do.

Nice Dave. Someone doing something, Dave The Man. Dave, what a nice name. :)

What it misses (following text is after improvements, not for blamy blame blamier blaming):

  • A logo – website always needs a logo (fact: human memory) that stands out from the content, in this case the carver.
  • Possibly more obvious link to the homepage: not all will know that the “Textpattern” is a link ;)

What might feel too anti-Textpattern:

  • Menu-hover gradient. Gradients are so… dead? And also, there is just too much contrast, web2.0-style etc.
  • Download button. It doesn’t actually fit the “Textis(h)m”-theme. Also it is a full image. Who will update it later?

Updating the content -issue:

  • Who will deside what is in the “featured showcase” image. Who will always take the image? Ruud or wet?

What i would want to find, but it is hard to spot them:

  • Link to installation instructions: Me wants to know if it is easy or pain in the ass.
  • More sightful link to FAQs.
  • One click link to the changelog: As a developer i want to see if it is dead or not from a respective of code.
  • System requirements, and what it does. What is it. It is CMS but where it goes. On my PC or does it run on perl?

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#135 2008-09-10 04:02:17

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Re: TxP.com home page

First, I liked the Reasons not to try Textpattern by maverick.

About Dave’s proposal.
I liked it! Well done!

About the look and feel:
It’s an attractive “texty”/CSS-based design: it honors the text on textpattern.
However, it also looks like a newspaper site, and so, imho, it makes Textpattern look like a blog/news tool, and not a CMS that can fit many other purposes.

About the carousel:
I liked the images chosen to illustrate each feature on the carousel. I think they illustrate pretty well each feature listed.
Maybe, the text/box accompanying the images could be colorful, so it has some contrast over the image.

I’ve seen the carousel images are background images, and that may be right, because they coud be seen as decorative images, and may not be considered meaningful content.
As an idea, this decorative images may alternate/cycle (maybe using some js/jquery magic) with an screenshot of Textpattern admin (related to the current item on the carousel).
If this idea of cycling (fade-in/fade-out) a decorative background-image with a real TxP screenshot (an <img /> on the dom) isn’t very appealing or doable (i think it is), then I would go with the screenshots and not the decorative images.
IMHO, screenshots on the home page are a selling point. Then, the decorative images (again, all of them are very nice and fit very well each idea) could be used somewhere on inner pages.

About the content:
I know Dave have followed the previously wireframe/content suggested on this thread.
I think the homepage still lacks a little of content.
I would like to see another row of three boxes, including some of the content that’s already on Textpattern.com.
Particularly:

  • add some of the items under Interface features
  • add some of the itmes under Publishing features
  • and… the latest posts on dev’s blog? some supported languages? some featured plugin? any of the things suggested by Gocom on above post?

Finally, some details to take in account for future versions:

  • highlight some content with <strong>
  • it would be good if the carousel degrades gracefully. I would suggest to use jQuery serialScroll, which is a nice approach to scrolling elements on a page, and it’s easily degradable to a overflowed box with scrollbars.

Gocom wrote:

What i would want to find, but it is hard to spot them:

  • Link to installation instructions: Me wants to know if it is easy or pain in the ass.
  • More sightful link to FAQs.
  • One click link to the changelog: As a developer i want to see if it is dead or not from a respective of code.
  • System requirements, and what it does. What is it. It is CMS but where it goes. On my PC or does runs it on perl?

Also missing:

  • it isn’t stated that TxP is an open source gpl’d software.

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#136 2008-09-10 08:22:07

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Re: TxP.com home page

I like it! (more than other suggestions up to now). Ties in well with the text-centric pattern and like the fact that it eschews the gloss that one finds everywhere else.

  • Georgia is the only font used. Everyone else uses sans-serif for their body text.
  • Others have mentioned newspapers in describing out TXP works, and also the trust users feel when visiting the site.
  • keeping it minimal
  • integrated header that could be used across the entire site

Agree in general. Coudal makes a good case for this kind of site, and yours follows a similar vein. Sans-serif fonts could be used for some of the labelling of boxes, though without detracting from the georgia body copy.

  • Black and white is classy (right?)

Also helps make the yellow as ‘brand identifier’ stand out nicely. Text in grey wouldn’t harm, though to make things subtler and help steer emphasis.

Agree with jukka on unsubtle download button and gradient overlays.


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#137 2008-09-10 08:47:33

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Re: TxP.com home page

Nice contrib, Dave! Initiative needed. We could spend too many months redoing wireframes to appeal to everyone’s opinions and desires. It should prove more effective in this case to see a little spit-shine too. That’s why I went straight to mockups before. :)

My two cents:

  1. Not favorable of Georgia only (and in any case does not follow the humble style guidelines already set forth in wet’s wiki for font styles). Ed. My bad. Looking at the image in 100% mode, I see it works just fine. :) I like it.
  2. Too many lines, looks like one of those prison suits from a 30’s comic. If you eliminated every a few horizontal lines, which is unnecessary for understanding anything, you gain something cleaner that’s just as effective. Ed. Maybe just need to remove the full-width lines from between sections to get rid of the double-line effect which does seem a bit too much.
  3. The reason I wrote “Hemingway used Moleskine®,” is two fold: First, it’s mentioned in “The history of a legendary notebook” that accompanies every Moleskine bought. Second, there’s a thriving community of Moleskine enthusiasts today, just like yesteryear, and most of these people are highly talented artisan, designer, writer types. All-in-all, I think using the nod to Moleskine has a bigger impact than not. (And it rolls better off the tongue.)
  4. I would still like to see another clever way of integrating the different systems so they are not just menu links (that’s fundamental), but also tie-in the subtools and/or menus of each system (wiki, forum, plugins…). The WordPress family of sites does this beautifully. I demonstrated it with my wiki and forum mockups. There’s got to be other takes on it that are clean and user-oriented?

Matthieu, I hope you’re reading and don’t feel put off by the hard critiques from round 1. It’s all good. I for one am expecting to see round 2 from you. (Same goes to arzhou and Dave!)

By the way, all. I’ve skinned a local copy of MW with my initial wiki mocks (link above). I have a few tweaks to make and will then put it to a public demo. I’m using the markup and CSS mods for my local wiki (with minor visual tweaks), so it’s not a loss for me either way; however, outside of the masthead/global nav it should work now for whatever design is finalized because it follows the guidelines as they exist (after changing header font family).

Speaking of style guide, regular text might be something softer than just black, which is well-published to be hard on the eyes when read on white backgrounds. I used #4f4f4f in my mockups and wiki which seems to tame the contrast pretty good before actually appearing gray. Just a thought.

Last edited by Destry (2008-09-10 09:29:23)

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#138 2008-09-10 08:54:23

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Re: TxP.com home page

Looking good there nemoorange. Nice work.

I agree with the sentiments in the posts following yours, and would +1 on the following:

  • color:#333; (or similar) instead of black for copy text takes the edge off the starkness
  • A sans-serif font for headers, since Georgia for body text works well and keeps with the ‘texty’ theme
  • A splash of colour in the carousel. Either colour the text box to make the text stand out a bit or maybe pick out just one colour (á la Sin City) from the background pics (whatever they may end up as) and emphasise that slightly. Perhaps yellow if there is any…?
  • I like the warning by the download box that has shades of Mavericks’ suggestions up there :-)

Very swish though.


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#139 2008-09-10 09:04:30

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Re: TxP.com home page

Bloke wrote:

A splash of colour in the carousel. Either colour the text box to make the text stand out a bit or maybe pick out just one colour (á la Sin City) from the background pics (whatever they may end up as) and emphasise that slightly. Perhaps yellow if there is any…?

I was going to say I really like the black and white images (though not sure that’s a good idea for actual demos…could be though), but the Sin City thing makes sense and could be sweet! I like the idea of a touch of yellow, or maybe something sepia. That’s all you would need, a single color to accent the images a bit.

EDIT: Dave, with regard to font-family, maybe you could throw up two more clones of your page and make all three linkable in the main nav: One of the additionals would have Georgia headers and sans-serif text. The other having opposite. From that we might be able to really compare and decide what’s the best way to go with font-family while keeping everything else constant. Just a thought.

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#140 2008-09-10 10:12:57

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Re: TxP.com home page

Nice work, nemoorange! I’ll make some comments later. I want to throw these into the mix too. I was going to do 6 altogether, one for each main navigation tab, so as to see the variations between home, weblog, docs, forum, resources and assist. But those can wait now. Anyway, here’s home and docs

My reasons for producing these was to move this thing forward because Destry and Matthew are obviously very busy, and Azhou too. So I tried to combine stuff already discussed, plus add some of my own ideas. I know I can depend on you guys to change what’s wrong with them :-) Note the integrated nav and the subnav. For weblog I was going to make the subnav: start, design, development, issues and contact. For the forum: Index Rules Search User list Profile Logout Help. For Resources: no subnav, just one page with links, but eventually it would be txp.org and use its subnav. For Assist: Start, contributors, donate. Those are my first thoughts and probably would change.

Note the blank canvas on the home page. I was going to say we must put something great here, so it’s brilliant to see some actual content, Dave! I also think Maverick’s Reasons Not to try is great, but haven’t figured the best way to put it in, so that’s why I’ve stuck with Bloke’s Reasons to try.

Anyway, what can we take from all contributions so far, so we can make them into something exceptional?


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