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#11 2018-10-02 08:24:13

Destry
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Re: WebFaction joins GoDaddy

philwareham wrote #314186:

Just curious, why do you dislike GoDaddy?

What Pete said (link).

But my hate for the company came when the a-hole killed the elephant. African hunting is inexcusable. I’ve got my reasons for saying so and I’m not going to get into pointless debates about it (not that you, Phil, would want to but somebody might feel inclined). Basically, killing a big, noble creature with a powerful boomstick because your bwana balls are small is sufficient for a life-long ban of your company in my book.

I’m just upset that I wasn’t aware of the connection with WF, and especially after SSL headaches I had to endure. That’s no slam on the staff, who have always been helpful, and especially this last time around, Marie went above the call of duty.

But I can’t be staying with them. When my paid time is up, so am I.

jakob wrote #314187:

Did you find out any more about [Vikings]?

Not yet, but I will send them an email at some point with some questions.

[Solar-powered website] is a fairly extreme case and there are a fair amount of options in-between (e.g. like using PV/solar thermal power to offset your energy requirements in the house) plus generally looking at your energy balance and seeing where you can best make savings – your website might not be the biggest energy culprit (just saying ;-).

Yes, well, first of all, I was being a little tongue-in-cheek with that comment. I certainly plan to try that project sometime, but that’s not going to be my immediate next step. Easier would just be quit the web, which is more appealing by the day. No energy, tech, time, money, stress, or anything to do that.

But, of course, being truly conscientious means being conservative in every aspect of one’s life; what we buy, what we do, and so on. At the same time, there are compromises with family (individual habits), and varying costs (some quite expensive) of initial installation. And you have to have your own ‘home’ (or plot of dirt) to really get anywhere to begin with. That’s a huge luxury for many. And most homes are probably too big and luxurious for the good of humanity anyway.

Running your own server is not such a hard thing, I believe.

When the time comes, if ever, to play with the solar-project, I would look into this. I won’t be using Apple, however.


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#12 2018-10-02 15:04:33

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Re: WebFaction joins GoDaddy

jakob wrote #314187:

Running your own server is not such a hard thing, I believe.
[…]
I’m sure Pete could advise on that sort of thing.

If you know what you’re doing, it’s actually kinda fun. There’re endless ways to tweak, rebuild, improve things, and it can get very obsessive if you let it. There are ready-made solutions if you want to install ‘n go, including ISPConfig and Mail-in-a-Box (if I think of any additional ones, I’ll reply).

I went from MediaTemple (who were bought by GoDaddy) to various off brand hosting and started rolling my own DIY hosting from about 2013. I moved to DigitalOcean in 2014, mostly because of the documentation and tutorials they had available. I started a from-scratch Scrivener document with the various components of what I wanted and/or needed, updating as I went.

I outgrew the Scrivener thing (and it was almost impregnable for anyone who wasn’t me), and then switched to a heap of Markdown docs edited in Atom, using GitLab as a hosted git repository. I went for GitLab over GitHub since a lot of my documents have details on inner workings and configuration, and that could be considered a low security risk. So, private repo on GitLab was the way forward.

…and then here’s the key thing: you have a playbook that works for you. Extend it, tweak it, commit changes, see what you’ve done over time. If you’re learning something, spin up a $5/month server, build it from your playbook (lots of copy paste, or learn Ansible), and get to the point that you’re either happy with it, or you break it. Here’s an overview of mine, minus the security risk:

If you break your server, destroy your server and start again. Update your notes as you go. If you’re happy with it, work on the next thing. Want to add something like Jitsi, Discourse or Magento? Spin up a new server, build it, break it, rebuild it, start over, rinse and repeat.

This is an affiliate link for DigitalOcean: >> m.do.co/c/47db4abfcf83 <<

Right now, there’s a thing called Hacktoberfest going on, and you can get $100 free credit for 60 days. If you get on with DigitalOcean, and you put some money in their meter after 60 days, when you spend $25 for server credit, I get $25 in credit and that goes towards running the Textpattern demo sites. What goes around, comes around.

If you put money in the tank, you can spin up one or more servers. When you don’t want them, you power them off or destroy them. $25 gets you 5 months of the base-level server, assuming it’s turned on for the whole month. If you take the route of write -> build -> test -> mess it up -> rewrite -> build -> test -> success then you can destroy your server each time without it costing money.

DIY servers are different to hosted servers, and while you can get a lot for your money, there’s value in the ready-made packages if you don’t want to tool around with settings for hours and hours. That said, if you’re a hacker/bodger like me, then it’s a goldmine of learning and curiosity. And also incredibly frustrating when you can’t figure stuff out…until you do, and then it’s the best feeling in the world.

DigitalOcean have also kindly sponsored Textpattern web hosting (see the forum footer) and we’re nearly done with auditing/migrating/updating from Joyent to DigitalOcean. More on that when we’re all clear.

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#13 2018-10-02 16:19:38

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Re: WebFaction joins GoDaddy

Thanks Pete for the informative reply. I find it enticing but just know I’ll disappear down a rabbit hole if I get started when I should be doing something else.

What I was actually suggesting in my poorly-worded comment was that you (Destry) could run your own website from your home computer or NAS box. If you have a cable connection with a static IP, it should be fairly simple. If you have dynamic IP, the dyndns etc. can help track the changing local IP to a fixed point on the net…

Returing to your comments, Pete, an aside: Do you have any experience of or views on things like GoPanel? Looks similar-ish to ISPConfig except installed locally.


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#14 2018-10-02 16:37:46

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Re: WebFaction joins GoDaddy

jakob wrote #314329:

If you have a cable connection with a static IP, it should be fairly simple. If you have dynamic IP, the dyndns etc. can help track the changing local IP to a fixed point on the net…

Yes. However, practically speaking many ISPs lock down certain ports (especially SMTP), and as soon as you hit an email blacklist it’s hard to regain a good reputation. There may also be restrictions in an AUP or EULA that prevent home-hosted sites.

Returing to your comments, Pete, an aside: Do you have any experience of or views on things like GoPanel? Looks similar-ish to ISPConfig except installed locally.

Honestly, the idea of having a publicly-visible website running from my macOS computer scares me. Some versions of some containers (Docker, LXD etc) and virtual machines have known vulnerabilities for the guest environment leaking into its host/parent, and that’s not something I’m comfortable with…I’m not implying GoPanel is the same, but it’s vague enough that I’m not convinced.

Likewise, if I install any IoT stuff (shady or otherwise) in my home/office, it gets its own vLAN so it can’t snoop around. Plus, my computer is turned off after work/play is done, I don’t really want to leave a computer on all the time. Scaleway is absurdly cheap these days, much cheaper than my power bill for a computer for the month.

I picked ISPConfig as an example, there are others that I’ve tried and found pros & cons with each: Webmin and Froxlor are very usable, libre software and have different strengths. I started out with a control panel and moved to DIY instead because I saw this level of complexity and abstraction in the middle layer that I knew could be worked around with a bit of trial and error.

It sounds smug saying it, but going from managed hosting to DIY with a control panel to DIY with command line (Ansible optional, but it’s great) saves you money and keeps your brain working. Sure, definitely not for everyone, but worth a look if you’re curious. I keep saying how good the docs and tutorials are at DigitalOcean, but it’s true. Read ‘em, crib ‘em for your own use, and build up your arsenal.

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#15 2018-10-06 23:27:15

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Re: WebFaction joins GoDaddy

david12 wrote #314455:

I see that no one here has a good opinion about GoDaddy. I want to ask about the same as gaekwad. Why do you don’t like GoDaddy?

Why do you like GoDaddy?


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#16 2018-10-06 23:28:38

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Re: WebFaction joins GoDaddy

bici wrote #314459:

Why do you like GoDaddy?

I’m going out on a limb and I’m going to say they’re a spammer.

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#17 2018-12-26 18:37:56

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Re: WebFaction joins GoDaddy

More disturbing news about webfaction.

A user on dec.11 wrote:

Just tried to log in to my account and was welcomed with a Webfaction to Godaddy migration screen? There was also mention that Webfaction is deprecated and if we do not have our accounts migrated to Godaddy we will lose access? This is insane!! Is there more information about this?

webfaction source

Given this, i think i have to now plan seriously for a move. A couple of hosting choices mentioned in the discussion on webfaction are Cloudways.com and Hostiso.com

anyone have experience with either? any other good recommendations ?


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#18 2018-12-26 22:47:26

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Re: WebFaction joins GoDaddy

While it seems that thread was the result of a deployment error on the part of webfaction and godaddy and for the moment has gone away, it does show how they are likely to play their hand. Given that it was an error, the lack of accompanying information is understandable but altogether it does not bode well.

My client’s site with webfaction is not too hard to deploy elsewhere if the need arises but they have a long list of vital email accounts that would need transferring were I to switch hosts. Are there simple ways of migrating email accounts (all IMAP) without me having to ask each person to archive and transfer emails over?

One of my other hosts has an import facility as part of the webmail interface, though it’s not perfect but maybe there’s a good tool out there?


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#19 2018-12-26 23:34:19

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Re: WebFaction joins GoDaddy

jakob wrote #315757:

.. but they have a long list of vital email accounts that would need transferring were I to switch hosts. Are there simple ways of migrating email accounts (all IMAP) without me having to ask each person to archive and transfer emails over?

you raise a good point! I too have a couple of users who would require email migration.
something to think about.


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#20 2018-12-27 08:26:44

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Re: WebFaction joins GoDaddy

Hello everyone, and a great new year!

This news about Webfaction distresses me, because their concept Domains / Applications / Websites and their excellent documentation and support were perfect for me. For e-mails I remained faithful to the email hosting Infomaniak, which for me was also great. Just a few DNS settings to get the best of both.

How to find such service at an equivalent price?
On other forums, I was put on the trail of https://www.o2switch.fr/ which on paper is very good. A list of accommodations with the same quality / price ratio as Webfaction is interesting.

Jean-Pol

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