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#11 2015-06-17 15:10:30

Bloke
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Re: Is there a market for 'premium' themes?

hcgtv wrote #291606:

the core team is getting nudged under the table to deliberately keep Textpattern from gaining theming capabilities.

Hehe, external influences daily send me messages through the ether in ghostly voices: “dooon’t do theeeemes in Textpatteeeeerrrrn, it’s baaaaad for the communiteeeeee.”

Bottom line is to reliably swap themes without trampling on data is hard work in Textpattern’s current architecture. Unpicking the rat’s nest of code and database columns to more cleanly separate presentation from structure while maintaining the tag / plugin flexibility that makes it more approachable to designers is a challenge I don’t relish. I’m sure it’s possible to move the furniture and apply a fresh coat of paint at the flick of a switch, just a tad tough to do it in a way that allows migration for existing sites.

But if someone were to patch the core to do it via a pull request to either natively support it or make it easier for a plugin to do, then I say Bring It On and I’ll gladly merge it in. The line between user and developer is blurry now.


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#12 2015-06-17 15:27:47

candyman
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Re: Is there a market for 'premium' themes?

Please, can you explain to a profane what is the problem to adding and import/export feature?

I imagine that would be an huge effort for the core developers but, are there any other reasons (for example a slowing down engine) to avoid to take that street?

I see that almost every CMS out there have its template/theme packages but TXP’s leaders approach is different: why?

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#13 2015-06-17 15:36:18

Bloke
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Re: Is there a market for 'premium' themes?

candyman wrote #291609:

Please, can you explain to a profane what is the problem to adding and import/export feature?

Here’s a nice primer by Bert. Highlights a few of the challenges Txp faces since its original design choices have hampered advancement in this field.

It’s not insurmountable. Maybe just the ability to namespace Pages, Forms, Stylesheets and plugins into a “collection” would be all it takes and then allowing one such collection to be made live. I don’t know offhand. Been a looooooong time since I looked at this side of things.


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#14 2015-06-17 16:55:25

colak
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Re: Is there a market for 'premium' themes?

hcgtv wrote #291606:

The problem has always been the core team’s reluctance to provide a mechanism for the import and export of themes, either via core code changes or the adoption of a sanctioned plugin. The conclusion I’ve come up with after many years of fighting for themes, is that the core team is getting nudged under the table to deliberately keep Textpattern from gaining theming capabilities.

Hey Bert,

good to hear from you!!!


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#15 2015-06-17 18:46:24

hcgtv
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Re: Is there a market for 'premium' themes?

colak wrote #291613:

Hey Bert,

good to hear from you!!!

Hi Yiannis,

It felt good to post on this forum again, been away for far too long – Last visit: 2011-09-09 20:53:57.

Though I haven’t posted here in years, I’ve continued to follow the Textpattern community via the Textpattern Planet site, which I’ve kept up to date.

I’m still running Textpattern on all my dynamic sites, even though it’s a tweaked version of Textpattern 4.4.1, with fixes here and there as my PHP versions were updated and errors surfaced.

In the coming days I’ll begin testing Textpattern 4.5.7 on my local server, come into the fold as you will. So I’ll probably be posting here with questions about the upgrade.

Glad to be back.

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#16 2015-06-17 19:15:58

colak
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Re: Is there a market for 'premium' themes?

hcgtv wrote #291614:

Hi Yiannis,

In the coming days I’ll begin testing Textpattern 4.5.7 on my local server, come into the fold as you will. So I’ll probably be posting here with questions about the upgrade.

Glad to be back.

Whatever questions you may have. The community is still here and as helpful as ever.


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#17 2015-06-17 20:39:16

candyman
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Re: Is there a market for 'premium' themes?

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#18 2015-06-18 07:03:19

NicolasGraph
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Re: Is there a market for 'premium' themes?

candyman wrote #291618:

Bert’s sarcastic reply has produced unexpected results! :)

The core team would be human? :)


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#19 2015-06-18 12:17:19

jstubbs
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Re: Is there a market for 'premium' themes?

hcgtv wrote #291606:

The problem has always been the core team’s reluctance to provide a mechanism for the import and export of themes, either via core code changes or the adoption of a sanctioned plugin. The conclusion I’ve come up with after many years of fighting for themes, is that the core team is getting nudged under the table to deliberately keep Textpattern from gaining theming capabilities.

Code is Poetry ;)

Bert is back! Good to see you again!

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#20 2015-06-19 17:10:14

hcgtv
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Re: Is there a market for 'premium' themes?

jstubbs wrote #291655:

Bert is back! Good to see you again!

Hey Jonathan,

That’s what I’ve always liked about the Textpattern community, friendly, helpful people.

Good to hear from you also.

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