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#11 2007-05-15 13:36:07

sthmtc
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Re: [feedback] Drew Mclellan on the state of Textpattern

TNT wrote:

I hope this is not going to be a new topic about the direction Textpattern should be going. These discussions are getting a bit worn out and will have no winners, just losers.

We’re grown ups. Let’s act like grown ups.

Amen.

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#12 2007-05-15 14:52:37

alexandra
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Re: [feedback] Drew Mclellan on the state of Textpattern

@wet
where is your post? Why did you delete it?

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#13 2007-05-15 17:31:40

Jeremie
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Re: [feedback] Drew Mclellan on the state of Textpattern

TNT wrote:

I hope this is not going to be a new topic about the direction Textpattern should be going. These discussions are getting a bit worn out and will have no winners, just losers.

Not quite true. Each time these discussions ignite and then slow down – for a while – almost nothing of the content of the debate was done, but something else was done (almost if not all of the core developers – after Dean – were added because of such discussion).

But this last one is not united, it’s small to medium one scattered over several places and at different time. The first piece did add devs, the rest I doubt will grow anything useful.

We’ll have to wait several month to have a new one :)

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#14 2007-05-15 17:40:25

ramanan
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Re: [feedback] Drew Mclellan on the state of Textpattern

Can we have a new forum area where we can post “OH NOES TXP IS OVAH” discussions? alexandra can moderate.

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#15 2007-05-15 21:56:27

hcgtv
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Re: [feedback] Drew Mclellan on the state of Textpattern

ramanan wrote:

Can we have a new forum area where we can post “OH NOES TXP IS OVAH” discussions?

We can have a wav file that plays, Let’s get ready to rumble’s%20Get%20Ready%20to%20Rumble.wav, whenever we enter said forum :)

Honestly, I’ve learned my lesson, there are more important things in life than some lines of code on some distant SVN repository. I figure it this way, if the TxP devs can’t come up with a scheme to make monies from their efforts, then their only choice would be to give up control to those people that are willing to work for the love of the GPL.

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#16 2007-05-15 22:04:08

mrdale
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Re: [feedback] Drew Mclellan on the state of Textpattern

…patience, grasshopper :)

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#17 2007-05-16 00:25:35

Peter Mount
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Re: [feedback] Drew Mclellan on the state of Textpattern

One thing Drew Mclellan mentioned was the lack of a roadmap. This was after he brought up the issue of sponsorship. He seemed to say that it wasn’t worthwhile investing time helping out with TextPattern without the guarantee that that such help would be implemented. This is where a roadmap is needed.

Is there a plan on how this sponsorship model will develop? Will there be a roadmap available for everybody to see?

A roadmap would alleviate the problem of waiting for the time it takes for new features to come into the core of TextPattern. At least people would know what is coming.

I was planning to spend time on using TextPattern soon but after Drew raised his concerns I’ve had to shelve that idea until the dust settles on his article. After all it was Drew’s blog that made me aware of TextPattern in the first place.

I’d like some clear answers on this as I’ve already spent some time getting up to speed on TextPattern and it would be a shame to dump it for something else (I’ve started looking at ExpressionEngine).

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#18 2007-05-16 00:31:27

mrdale
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Re: [feedback] Drew Mclellan on the state of Textpattern

Good point, peter, a roadmap would be good idea, let everyone know what’s planned. Hang in there, TXP is a great little framework. :)

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#19 2007-05-16 00:57:54

zem
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Re: [feedback] Drew Mclellan on the state of Textpattern

We don’t have a road map for reasons repeated many times before: Textpattern is made from the code we have, not the code we want.

What we do have is some guidelines explaining in general terms the types of patches we’re likely to accept or reject.

Developers: if you have an idea for a new feature that you’re thinking of building, and want to know whether or not we’d accept a patch, please contact us or post on the Development forum. We’ll do our best to give an indication as to whether or not we’d likely accept it.

Currently the “road map” for 4.0.5 looks like this:

  • Finish fixing bugs
  • Include good quality, low risk, high payoff patches

It’s exactly the same as the road map for every other version we’ve ever released. The ETA is, “when we’re absolutely certain it’s rock solid, polished and complete”.

If you’d like to volunteer to add something specific to that list, please post on the development forum.

If you’d like to help bring the release date closer, test. Tell us what works and what doesn’t. Test each new change. Post the results, both positive and negative. When we do fix a bug, please confirm whether or not the fix works – we need to know if we’ve broken something else. Please don’t assume we know about bugs; chances are, if we haven’t fixed something, it’s because we don’t either know about it, or don’t have enough information to fix it.

The surest way to guarantee that a bug fix or feature is not included in Textpattern is to sit back and wait for someone else to do it for you.

Last edited by zem (2007-05-16 01:21:10)


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#20 2007-05-16 01:29:51

zem
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Re: [feedback] Drew Mclellan on the state of Textpattern

if the TxP devs can’t come up with a scheme to make monies from their efforts, then their only choice would be to give up control

There is no control to give up. The direction of Textpattern is controlled by those who submit patches.

If we could control that, we might have an actual road map.

to those people that are willing to work for the love of the GPL.

If you know any, please ask them to send patches.

Last edited by zem (2007-05-16 01:35:50)


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